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10 Reasons why Stern Girls won't date me!

by YU Bochur Posted: 01-08-2009(Viewed 5065 times)

(original posting here http://15washterrace.blogspot.com/2009/01/10-reasons-why-stern-girls-wont-date-me.html )

As any honest single Jew can tell you, the shidduch scene today is nothing less than absurd! Whether it's the silly questions during the initial screening process, the abnormal interaction between guys and girls, or the analysis of every single detail of a date. All of these areas can be discussed and critiqued at great length do to their absurdity; however, the area I'd like to focus on is the excuses I've been given as to why various Stern girls won't go out with me. Keep in minded that I've been rejected by quite a few Sternies, so I'd just like to pick my ten favorite/most frequently heard rejections:

1) "She hasn't started dating yet" - What the heck does this even mean?!?!? When girls come back from seminary do they have a letter from their rabbi of an exact date when they can declare themselves eligible to date? And since when did a single date become such a big deal? We aren't chassidish! I have no intention of proposing after the second date. In fact, there is a good chance that the only thing that the meidel will talk about is the summers she spent working at HASC, which will put me to sleep and there won't even be a second date! Give it a go! Declare yourself eligible…it's only a date!

2) "She wants to make Aliyah" - That's cool! Maybe I do too! Maybe I want to move to LA. Maybe I want to move to Brunei or perhaps move to Africa and join the Dinka tribe. But that is something that can be discussed over a first date. One should look to marry a person, not a piece of land! Granted Israel is an important piece of land, but believe it or not the Torah is portable and one can build a home with Torah values anywhere in the world, just like Jews have been doing for centuries. The most important thing is who you build your life with, not where!

3) "You wear jeans" - Yes I do. Some Sundays if I have nothing too important planned, I get a little rebellious and break out my jeans! Ohhhhhhh God! Not jeans! NOT FREAKIN JEANS! HE'S A SHAYGITZ! WHAT'S NEXT, YOU GANNA START HAVING ILLICIT RELATIONS ON YOM KIPPUR IN FRONT OF THE ARON KODESH WHILE EATING A CHEESE BURGER? C'mon. Jeans are tznius. I apologize, but the penguin look (black and white), just doesn't do it for me!

4) An irrelevant 3rd party just "doesn't see it" – This excuse is the #1 cause of the shidduch crisis! You want to be set up with a certain individual and you ask someone who you thought was your friend to mention it to the person and they reply "Yeah...I don't see it!" Of course you don't see it! I know you're not a prophet! I would never impose on you to predict the future! That's why I asked you to mention it to the person that I want to take out, not to make a prediction of if we will be married! If someone asks you to set them up with someone, mention it to the person and let them make the decision!

5) "I'm in the middle of something" (i.e. went on 1 date with someone else) - Let's clarify something! Going on one date with someone isn't being in the middle of something! Going out for a couple months is "in the middle!" Going on one date barley qualifies as "the beginning" because nothing of substance has even started yet! And for the record, it is completely muttur to go on a first date with multiple people at the same time...just ask your parents or anyone from the previous generation!

6) "She's actually applying to medical school now" - So? That's like me saying "Yeah, I'd love to go out today, but I'm actually planning on filling up on gas....kinda takes a lot out of me!" Obviously, I am not equating the difficulty level of applying to medical school to filling up on gas (unless you are from NJ like myself, and don't know how to pump your own gas), but come on! If you were taking the MCATs in a week than that's a different ball game. Applying to medical school shouldn't consume your whole life! If it does consume your entire existence, than I feel bad for you, your family, your future husband, and may God have mercy on your soul...

7) "I want someone that learns X-teen hours a day" - No you don't! Who do you think you're fooling? Let me tell you what you, and all Stern girls want: You want to live in a suburb of NYC (i.e. Teaneck), you want to go to Israel for succos, Arizona for Pesach, to send your kids to a modern orthodox yeshiva, modern orthodox camps, and you want to have tons of shiny jewelry! Unless you have someone sponsoring your marriage (i.e. your parents or in-laws) and your husband is a kollelnic with zero responsibilities, than try to be more realistic. If you find a buchur who makes a legitimate effort to go to minyan 3x a day and schedules in time to learn daily, in addition to having a steady income, than you have found yourself a quality buchur and you should be quite satisfied! [For the meidels who have just returned Israel: Save this and read it again in a year when you get more in tune with reality! Right now you're probably just assuming that I'm off the derech and practice avoda zarah.]

8) "I don't date guys that go to the movies" - I rarely watch TV, and only go to movies on occasion. But if your judgmental enough to not go on a date with someone because you found out that they have attended or plan on attending the occasional film, and not look at a single other aspect of their personality, than you aren't mature enough to be dating and I'm sorry that I spent anymore than 5 seconds looking into you! NEXT!!!!

9) "Does he want to take off time to learn in Israel?" - Actually I did that already...it was called shana aleph and it took place after high school! As beautiful as it sounds to move to Israel for a year after marriage to "learn and grow together" some people need to get a job and don't have the luxury of parents or in-laws that want to sponsor their marriage until the newlyweds decide to get their act together!

10) "He has too many friends" - I kid you not! Someone said they weren't interested in dating me because I have too many friends! I never realized that having friends would hurt me! Is being socially awkward what the Stern girls are looking for now? Maybe it is! Social awkwardness and being boring seem to be the two most appealing things on Sternies shidduch wish list.

To conclude: I feel the overall themes of these rejections were the lack of honesty and the inability to be in tune with reality! If you aren't into my look because I wear jeans or work out, than just say so! If you don't like the fact that I'm driven enough to get a job and make a parnasa than I'm cool with that! If minayn 3x a day and an evening chevrusa just don't cut it than please just be honest – you are looking to marry a kollenic and want to move to Bnai Brak, not a YU graduate! If the fact that I am in tune with reality bothers you, then maybe you need to be honest with yourself and hold off on dating until you come back to the real world! In the meantime, the only excuse that I have ever taken as being valid consists of only two words: "I'm married!"


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From: sue, toronto, canada
Date: 01-08-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: You sound so bitter, perhaps you need to look at all the lovely girls that attend other universities and actually think for themselves. If you're in NYC, perhaps look over at Barnard, NYU, City, Queens, etc. If you involve yourself in the whole dating 'scene' that has taken over YU and Stern, you get the results you've listed. Best of luck!

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From: Anonymous Gal, NJ
Date: 01-09-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Your article is so true, there is so much craziness involving shidduchim and Jewish dating today!  But, for what it's worth, you sound like a great catch! IYH you will find your besherte! :)

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From: Material Maidel, www.materialm
Date: 01-09-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Awesome list!

But do you think it's Stern girls that won't date you? Sounds more like the Flatbush type.....

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From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: 01-09-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Extremely good article, man. You will do well in life. Actually, I bet you will receive some propositions from Sternies after they read the article.

Regards from the coldest city of its size on earth,

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From: Shira, Teaneck, NJ
Date: 01-10-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Boo-hoo! You're a guy-you ARE the #1 reason for the shidduch crisis! So the one skinny, perfect, shiny, put-together, quiet (ahem-"aidel") girl YOU want doesn't want you! That doesn't stop the shadchans from calling with 40000 other viable suggestions, solely based on the fact that you are 1)male, 2)circumcised and 3)breathing. And just so ya know, frum girls also go to Queens, Brooklyn, Touro and gasp-Ivys and that still makes them second-class citizens in this ridiculous Stern-YU vortex known as the "dating scene." SO while in some tiny sense I feel for you because it's not ALL going your way, the  vast majority of my "ok with TV and movies, jeans-wearing, worker/learner" self just can't empathize. Hatzlacha!

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From: G Brooklyn NY
Date: 01-10-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: I really enjoyed your article or should I say top 10 list ... Maybe Stern girls aren't for you, have you thought about going out with a Touro girl? We're really nice and friendly to! Now I have a question for you what is it with Jewish guys saying they don't' want to go out with Brooklyn girls? In fact not one but a few guys have already reacted strange when I say I'm from Brooklyn. They ask weird questions ... In fact one guy told me he was told by his Rebbe Brooklyn girls ae a whole diffrent catagory of dating. Oviousely he was from out of Brooklyn!

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From: G Brooklyn NY
Date: 01-10-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: I really enjoyed your article or should I say top 10 list ... Maybe Stern girls aren't for you, have you thought about going out with a Touro girl? We're really nice and friendly to! Now I have a question for you what is it with Jewish guys saying they don't' want to go out with Brooklyn girls? In fact not one but a few guys have already reacted strange when I say I'm from Brooklyn. They ask weird questions ... In fact one guy told me he was told by his Rebbe Brooklyn girls ae a whole diffrent catagory of dating. Oviousely he was from out of Brooklyn!

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From:
Date: 01-11-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Clever and honest...but maybe some girls like guys who know the difference between "then" and "than'

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From: Nicole, Stern Collete, NY
Date: 01-12-2009
Rating: 10
Comments:

1) "She hasn't started dating yet

2) "She wants to make Aliyah"

3) "You wear jeans"

4) An irrelevant 3rd party just "doesn't see it"

5) "I'm in the middle of something"

6) "She's actually applying to medical school now"

7) "I want someone that learns X-teen hours a day"

8) "I don't date guys that go to the movies"

9) "Does he want to take off time to learn in Israel?"

10) "He has too many friends"

 

This was definitely a humorous article; there is no doubt about that. Being a girl who goes to Stern, I understand some of your frustration. I agree that the “awkwardness” that is present between guys and girls in Stern and YU is a little bit ridiculous. However, I also want to give the benefit of the doubt to some of the girls who have turned you down. I will divide your list into two. The first half being the viable excuses, and the second half being the lame excuses.

 The viable list: 1) She hasn’t started dating yet- some girls are simply not ready for a relationship. They have come back from Israel. They are adjusting to college life, many are adjusting to a new city, and it is not fair to tell someone when they are ready to date. 2) She wants to make aliyah- Two people who are going out should have common goals and interests. If she wants to make aliyah, in order to achieve that goal, she should date someone who also has the goal of making aliyah. 3/8) You wear jeans/I don’t date guys that go to the movies- I group these two together for a reason. While I don’t judge a guy for wearing jeans or watching movies, I think it is a matter of hashkafa. She is looking for a certain lifestyle, and generally those things don’t fit with the lifestyle she is looking for. Listen, if you do those things, I am sure you can find a girl who will appreciate you and accept them happily. If a girl turns up her nose at those things, she is NOT FOR YOU.

 

Now for the ridiculous list: 4) An irrelevant 3rd party doesn’t see it- You are right; you can’t know if something is right until you try it. 5) I’m in the middle of something Correct again, one date is not quite the same as 6 weeks. Call the girl out on that. 6) She is applying to medical school now- While these applications may be stressful, you need to make time to date as well. There will always be something in the way, but everyone needs to make time for the all important dating scene. 7) I want someone who learns so many hours a day If a girl wants to live a kollel life, she needs to know what that entails. Talmud Torah is the guy’s chiyuv. If he is making sure he is learning every day, that is great. A girl needs to know what kind of life she wants to get into, otherwise this is a stupid excuse. 9)Does he want to go to Israel for shana rishona to learn. Well, unless her family has the money to support that endeavour, that is completely invalid. In addition, that is something you can talk about throughout the dating process. 10) He has too many friends –I have no comment. Stupid.


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From: Baltimore
Date: 01-12-2009
Rating: 10
Comments:

This list is SO real, that i took a bit of it and posted it on my blog (with a link back to you of course.)  Just number seven.  See http://baruchatta.blogspot.com

Thanks
Baruch Atta


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From: Tom, Beersheva
Date: 01-13-2009
Rating: 1
Comments: I do not know whether I am more surprised or appalled that nobody has commented on the author's analysis of "reason 2" regarding a girl who wants to make aliyah.
Comparing Israel to LA, Brunei, or Africa is just obscene. Even if one follows the halachic view that living in Israel is not mandatory at this time, it is still unquestionably an incredibly important mitzvah that we are taught is "keneged kulam", equal to all the mitzvot in the torah.
"one should look to marry a person, not a piece of land" - the gemarah says that if a wife wants to make aliyah and the husband doesnt, she can divorce him and receive her full ketubah, whereas if the husband wants to make aliyah and the wife does not, he can divorce her and the ketubah is void - draw your own conclusion for that one.
"the torah is portable" - the torah was clearly meant to be carried out in eretz yisroel.
"just like Jews have been doing for centuries" - yeah, well, welcome to post-1948, buddy. when we could not physically live in eretz yisrael, obviously we had to adjust to life in exile, but that does not mean that we are supposed to live outside of israel forever. the ideal was, is, and always will be yishuv ha'aretz, and when it comes to dating criteria, it should be understandable that there are a few religious, sane people who rank it pretty high up there.
"The most important thing is who you build your life with, not where!" yeah in the same way that the most important thing is not what day of the week you rest, or whether or not you eat kosher.
dismissing and belittling the idea of aliyah is nothing less than an insult to the jews living in israel - i guess those of us living under the threat of kassam attack are just stupid for not realizing that we may have been just as happy joining the dinka tribe

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From: nyc
Date: 01-16-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: bitter much? clearly all the rejection has gotten to you. if only other people's views would be the same as yours, then  you wouldnt have to respect different views since they would already be your own.

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From: Miriam, Manhattan
Date: 01-17-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: #1 reason why YU guys won't date me: they're too busy chasing Stern girls who have no interest in them.

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From: chosid (NJ)
Date: 01-18-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Tom,

Living in E'Y is NOT kneged kulom. It has many mailos but that is not one of them. I'm pretty sure you just made that up. Even the crazy tzionim don't usually MAKE UP gemaros or midrashim or wherever you think you found that gem. Feelings doesn't equal Torah my friend.

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From: Tom, Beersheva
Date: 01-22-2009
Rating: 1
Comments: To Chosid from NJ:
I know of at least two sources that say Yishuv Haaretz is keneged kol hamitzvot

1- Sifri, Re'eh, tells the story of R Yehuda ben Beterah, R Mattia ben Cheresh, R Chanania ben Achi, R Yehoshua and R Yonatan, who were about to leave eretz yisrael but then had a change of heart and returned, saying "yeshivat eretz yisrael shekulah keneged kol hamitzvot shebatorah"

2 - Avodah Zarah, Tosefta 5:2 - one should live in eretz yisrael, even where a majority are idol worshippers, rather than in chutz laaretz, even in a jewish city (even in new jersey!) - which teaches that "yeshivat eretz yisrael shekulah keneged kol hamitzvot shebatorah"

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From: Rivky, USA
Date: 01-28-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: This article is well written! I wish you the best of luck! I also wish that someone would write about this from a female point of view! We have to deal with a lot of baloney to deal with also!  As a Modern Orthodox girl, regardless of sincere religiosity, I feel like I am judged on whether I wear jeans or skirts...and I wear both :P

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From: Michal, NYC
Date: 02-22-2009
Rating: 10
Comments: Your list is ok, your conclusion is hypocritical - you want them to be honest, eg, if they don't like the fact that you wear jeans then you tell them to just say so, but isn't that what you were complaining about? I find that part confusing...but I'm sorry you're so frustrated. I'm sure it will work out well for you soon...B'hatzlacha.

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From: Chana, Rome, Italy
Date: 02-10-2010
Rating: 5
Comments: "Too many friends" is absolutely legitimate. Half of a woman's sexuality is the feeling of being wanted. Too many friends leads to him paying even less attention to her than the normal man. 

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